CPAN RPMs

If you’ve been reading my blog for a while, you’ll know that I have an interest in packaging CPAN modules as RPMs for Linux distributions based on Red Hat.

For a few years, I’ve been (infrequently) building spreadsheets which list the various modules that are available as RPMs from the better know repositories (and my own small repository). Over the weekend, I thought that those spreadsheets might be more useful if they were turned into web pages. So that’s what I did.

You can see the lists for Fedora and Centos. Over the next few days, I plan to set up cron jobs so that they are rebuilt daily.

Please let me know if you find these lists useful.

Removing Modules from Core

I was on holiday last week and missed most of the discussions about removing Module::Build and CGI from the Perl core in the next few years. I hope you won’t mind if I chime in a little late with my thoughts.

Module::Build

I’m a little bemused by the Module::Build story. Well, perhaps “bemused” isn’t quite the right word. Perhaps I should say “embarrassed”. Embarrassed because the discussions around Module::Build just show how out of touch I am with important parts of the Perl ecosystem.

I remember seeing Schwern’s MakeMaker Is DOOMED! talk ten years ago. What he said made a lot of sense to me and I switched all of my CPAN modules to Module::Build over the next few years. And then I rather took my eye off the ball. I was vaguely aware that people were complaining about Module::Build and were switching to things like Module::Install and Dist::Zilla. But I was happy with Module::Build and just stuck with it.

Now I’m hearing people saying that Module::Build is fundamentally flawed. Someone whose opinion I value mentioned that he lowers his estimate of the IQ of any CPAN author who uses Module::Build. That, presumably, includes me. But when I ask people what the problems are with Module::Build, I can’t get anyone to give me a detailed and dispassionate answer.

I’m quite prepared to believe that there are problems with Module::Build. Given the calibre of the people who are telling me that these problems exist, it would be astonishing if it wasn’t true. But it would be nice if there was a good explanation available somewhere of just what these problems are.

And I think that this is indicative of a deeper problem that the Perl community has. I like to think that I’m pretty much in touch with what is going on in the Perl community. I read the blogs. I’m subscribed to (too many) mailing lists. But it appears I’m not following discussions of the CPAN toolchain closely enough. I guess it’s something that I just expect to work. And I guess I expect that if there are important discussions going on, then I’ll hear about them through other channels – blog posts, for example. But that doesn’t seem to have happened here. Of course I can subscribe myself to another mailing list or two to correct that, but I don’t think I’m unusual in not trying to follow every single Perl discussion. There are surely many people like me who would like information like this to be disseminated better. This is part of the reason why Leo and I set up the Perl News site. But we have a tiny number of editors and we can’t know everything that is worth publishing. If you think we’ve missed an interesting story then please let us know about it.

So I’m not going to object to Module::Build leaving the core. I’m sure there are good reasons, I just wish I knew what they are. I am, however, slightly disappointed to find that Schwern was wrong ten years ago and that ExtUtils::MakeMaker wasn’t doomed.

CGI

CGI.pm and I go back a long way. In fact I think CGI.pm was added to the Perl core at about the same time as I started using Perl.

It’s obvious why it was added to the core. Back in 1997, Perl and CGI were tightly bound together in many people’s minds. I had people telling me that Perl could only be used to write CGI programs and other people telling me that CGI programs could only be written in Perl. Both sets of people were, of course, wrong; but it’s easy to see how they reached both of those conclusions.

Before CGI.pm was added to the Perl core, people used to parse CGI parameters using horribly broken code copied from Matt Wright (code which he had originally copied from Reuven Lerner). Of course, adding the module to the Perl core didn’t magically rewrite all those horrible CGI programs to use CGI::params, but at least it meant that the option was there.

This became important to me when I started the nms project. This project rewrote Matt Wright’s scripts using a better standard of Perl code. The problem was that many people started by installing one of Matt’s scripts on their server and later, when they wanted to move on from using other people’s code, they would use Matt’s code as a template for their own first steps into Perl. This is partly what made Perl so popular. But it’s also what lead to the preponderance of terrible Perl code that you still find on the web today.

We wrote the nms programs to work, as far as possible, in the same environment as Matt’s scripts. Matt said that his scripts would work fine on Perl 4 (back then, there were still many cheap hosting plans that came with Perl 4). We decided not to put ourselves through that pain and to target Perl 5.004 – because that was the first version to include CGI.pm. Remember, we were targeting Matt Wright’s users. And they were people who used cheap hosting plans with basic FTP access and little or no chance of installing anything from CPAN. We had to rely on core modules. If CGI.pm hadn’t been in the Perl core, then the nms programs would have been far harder to write and the project may have never been started.

The nms project was started over ten years ago. What is the situation like now? Those cheap hosting plans still exist. People still use them for simple web sites. Some of those people still use Matt’s scripts or the nms alternatives. But the numbers of people using those programs are far smaller than they used to be. These days, people wanting to add simple dynamic functionality to a web site are far more likely to use a PHP program. And those cheap web hosts are far more likely to want to support PHP.

Of course, these days, no serious Perl developer uses CGI.pm to write web programs. We’d be far more likely to use something based on PSGI. And even if we did want to use CGI.pm, we’d know how to get it installed from CPAN. The only people who are going to suffer from the removal of CGI.pm are the people using something like the nms programs on a cheap hosting plan. I worry a little about the influx of support email we will get when some cheap hosting company updates from Perl 5.18 to Perl 5.22 and suddenly all the nms programs stop working. It’s slightly galling to realise that Matt’s scripts will continue to work at that point. Of course, the kinds of companies that we’re talking about tend to lag well behind the bleeding edge of Perl versions, so this might not happen for eight or more years. So I think it might well be someone else’s problem.

All in all, I think it will be sad to see CGI.pm removed from the core. It will effectively see the end of even half-decent Perl code being used on bottom of the range hosting plans. But Perl has been losing that market for years and, speaking as someone who spent a lot of time helping out on support forums for basic Perl/CGI code, I’m far from convinced that I’ll miss those users. So my sadness at seeing CGI,pm go, will be purely historical.

But I’d really like to see some cut-down version of PSGI take its place!

Give Me MetaCPAN

Ever since MetaCPAN launched I’ve been getting increasingly irritated with people who still use links to search.cpan.org. Isn’t it obvious that MetaCPAN is better? Why do people still insist on sharing links to the older site?

Of course they do it for various reasons. Perhaps they aren’t as in touch with the modern Perl world as I am. Perhaps they are wary about changing to use the new shiny toys because they know that a newer shinier one will be along soon. Perhaps I’m reading a web page from five years ago and they can be forgiven for not linking to a site that didn’t exist at the time.

Eventually I realised that there was no point in getting annoyed. I had a computer. Surely I could do something that would fix this problem.

My first idea was to write a GreaseMonkey script. Then I realised that would be hard. MetaCPAN and CPAN have slightly different URL schemes. I’d need to recognise a CPAN URL and convert it to the equivalent MetaCPAN URL. Not an impossible task at all, but not something I could knock up in an hour or so. Especially not in Javascript.

So I asked on the #metacpan IRC channel. Surely I couldn’t be the first person to have this problem. And someone there introduced me to mcpan.org. There’s no point in clicking on that link. You’ll just end up on MetaCPAN. Because that’s what mcpan does. It’s a URL rewriting service. You give it a CPAN URL (with the cpan.org changed to mcpan.org) and it redirects you to the equivalent page on MetaCPAN.

That’s the hard bit of the problem. The bit I didn’t want to write. And someone else has already written it. But they seem to have kept it very quiet. This deserves more publicity. I wish I could remember who wrote it. If you know, please leave a comment.

So we’re now most of the way there. Now if I click on a CPAN link, I can just edit the location bar to add an ‘m’ and I’ll be redirected to the right place. But we can do better than that. I’d like to be automatically redirected. That’s when I discovered the Redirector extension for Firefox. Once it’s installed you can configure it to redirect certain URLs to other ones. I have it configured so that http://search.cpan.org* redirects to http://mcpan.org$1. See how you can use wildcards to match URLs and then use whatever they matched in the replacement URL. It’s a lot like regexes in Perl.

And we’re done. Now whenever I click on an old-style CPAN link, I’m automatically redirected to mcpan, And that, in turn, redirects me to MetaCPAN. And, best of all, I didn’t have to write any code. It was just a case of putting together tools that already existed.

I did all this a few months ago. I meant to write this blog post at the time, but I forgot. I was reminded this morning when Chisel mentioned a GreaseMonkey script he had written to do all of this. See, Chisel isn’t afraid of parsing URLs in Javascript like I was. He just went ahead and did it.

But having alternative solutions to the problem is good, right?

Update: I’ve just been talking about this on the #metacpan IRC channel and it seems that I was rather misunderstanding what was going on here. Here are the details.

Firstly, it was dpetrov who told me about mcpan.org. It’s his domain. I asked him for the code, and he pointed out that there is no code. mcpan.org just redirects everything to a domain called sco.metacpan.org which is where the magic happens. He just got tired of editing search.cpan.org to sco.metacpan.org so he registered another, simpler, domain.

So the actual cleverness happens over on sco.metacpan.org. And that’s really just a list of rewrite rules (the code is on github). I say “just”, but I still wouldn’t want to write them myself.

All this means that mcpan,org is only a convenient tool for when you’re manually editing your location bar. When you’re using the Redirector extension for Firefox you can miss out the middle man and redirect straight to sco.metacpan.org. So I’ve updated my Redirector rule appropriately.

XML::Feed

XML::Feed is the module that does most of the heavy lifting for Perlanet and, as such, it powers some important parts of the Perl community’s infrastructure. Unfortunately, for a while now it’s had a rather long list of outstanding bugs that weren’t getting fixed.

Sometime last year, Matt Trout got co-maintainership on the module and shortly afterwards he shared it with me. I released a couple of versions last year (largely to fix one particular and important bug) and fixed a few of the easier bugs on the list, but most of the list remained untouched.

Whilst working on these few fixes I set up a copy of the repository on Github. And about a month ago, that started to pay dividends as I got a couple of pull requests from Gabor. In combination with a couple of new bug reports that came it at about the same time, this galvanised me into putting a bit more effort into the module.

I’ve released a couple of new versions in the last week. Most importantly, I think that version 0.48 fixes the test failures that were common in the last few releases – and initial indications are that I’m right.

It seems that people are interested in this module. So let’s see if we can get a little community going. I’ve set up a mailing list to discuss the module and. of course, there’s already the bug list and the Github repository.

Patches welcome. Github pull requests even more so. But if you just have ideas and suggestions or want advice on how to use the module, I’d love to hear from you.

Fedora and Centos CPAN RPMs

Today I’ve updated my spreadsheets of the CPAN modules that are available as RPMs from various repositories for Fedora and Centos. I see that in many cases the “official” repos are now more up to date than my own repo (which I originally set up because the official repos are sometimes out of date).

This is all a precursor to doing a lot more work on my repo. I need to know which RPMs are being kept up to date by other people so that I can ignore those modules.

But I thought that other people might find the data useful or interesting.