Mailing Lists

Over the years I’ve set up a few mailing lists for the discussion of various projects I’ve been involved with. There’s always an expectation that mailing lists will flourish without much input from me. But it never works out like that.

The truth is that most mailing lists just quietly die. And, in many cases, they end up attracting a lot of spam – which the owner of the list has to check on a semi-regular basis on the off-chance that there’s something interesting or useful in amongst the crap. There never is.

So I’ve decided to close a few mailing lists that didn’t seem to be going anywhere. I don’t suppose anyone will miss them, but I’ve taken a copy of the archives and I may do something with them at some point in the future.

The lists that I have removed are:

  • perlanet@perlhacks.com
  • perl-api-squad@perlhacks.com
  • perl-mooc@perlhacks.com
  • training-news@learnperl.co.uk
  • xml-feed@perlhacks.com

A couple of these lists have received slightly special treatment. The xml-feed list is advertised as the support email address for XML::Feed. I’ve redirected that address so that mail now comes to me. Hopefully my spam filters will ensure that I’m not overrun with spam from it before I work out a more permanent solution.

The other list that has been treated differently is the training-news one. That was set up so that people could get information about upcoming training courses that I would be running. I still think that’s useful, so I’ve replaced it with a new list (run by MailChimp). If you’re interested in keeping in touch with what I’m doing then please sign up to the new list by entering your email address below. (The same form will now appear in the sidebar on every page of this site.)


Sign up here for occasional email about stuff I'm doing with Perl, information about upcoming talks and training courses and other updates.

(I promise not to spam you.)


So, there you are. I’ve removed a few moribund mailing lists. I hope that hasn’t ruined anyone’s day.

London Perl Jobs Mailing List

London.pm is undergoing one of its periodic reorganisations. We’re in the process of moving our web site over to a new server and as part of that move, we’ve decided that we’ll move our mailing list infrastructure to a third party system. Both the main discussion list and the announcements list will be run on Sympa.

But that’s not all the lists we currently have. In particular, we had a London Perl Jobs list, which anyone could use to post details of Perl jobs in London. It’s been decided that this list is too much hassle to keep up. Apparently, it needs a pretty high level of work from moderators. So that list isn’t going to be migrated and it will quietly die.

I thought that was a bit of a shame. I think it’s a useful list. And, in particular, I think it would be easy for outsiders to misread the reasons for the closure – given the current discussions about the death of Perl. Perhaps the list was killed off because there are no longer any Perl jobs in London (you and I both know that’s not true, but not everyone is following the situation as closely as we are).

So I decided to do something about it. I just happened to have a useful-looking domain sitting around not doing very much, so I’ve set up a jobs mailing list over there. Feel free to subscribe if you’re interested in Perl jobs in London. And, more importantly, please encourage people who are looking for Perl programmers in London to post their jobs to jobs@londonperl.co.uk.

Currently, the list is configured like this:

  • Archives are public
  • By default, replies go to the poster rather than the list
  • Posts are accepted from anyone
  • All posts are moderated

I’ll be happy to reconsider any of those settings once the list has been running for a while. I’m also considering setting up an associated jobs discussion list, if people think that would be useful.

See you on the mailing list.

Perl Recruitment Thoughts

Not many weeks go by when I don’t hear of another Perl-using company that has been evaluating alternative technologies. In most cases, it’s not because they think that Perl is a bad language to use. The most common reason I hear is that it is becoming harder and harder to find good Perl programmers.

On Quora I recently saw a question asking what job opportunities were like for Perl programmers. This is how I answered:

Right now is a good time to be a Perl programmer. Perl is losing mindshare. Very few new Perl programmers are arriving on the scene and quite a lot of former Perl programmers have moved away from the language to what they see as more lucrative, enjoyable or saleable languages.

But there are still a lot of companies with a lot of Perl code. That all needs to be maintained and enhanced. And many of those companies continue to write new projects in Perl too.

All of which means that it’s a seller’s market for good Perl skills. That won’t last forever, of course. To be honest, I’d be surprised if it lasts for more than five or ten years (well, unless Perl 6 takes off quickly). But it’ll do me for the next few years at least.

I’m putting a positive spin on it, but it’s getting to be a real problem. More programmers abandon Perl, that makes it harder to find good Perl programmers, which makes it more likely that companies will abandon Perl, which leads to fewer Perl jobs and more programmers decide to abandon Perl. It’s a vicious circle.

I’m not sure how we get to the root of that problem, but do have some suggestions for on particular area. A client recently asked my for suggestions on how they can improve their hit rate for recruiting good Perl programmers. My suggestions all revolved about making your company better known in the Perl community (because that’s where many of the better Perl programmers are).

I know that many of the Perl-using companies already know this. But in the interests of levelling the playing field, I thought was worth sharing some of my suggestions.

Perl Mongers Social Meetings

Do you have a local Perl Mongers group? If so, they almost certainly have monthly social meetings. And in many cases they will welcome a company that puts a few quid behind the bar for drinks at one of those meetings. For smaller groups (and there are many smaller groups) you might even offer to buy them dinner.

It’s worth contacting them before doing this. Just turning up and flashing your money around might be seen as rude. And some groups might object to this kind of commercialisation. But it’s always worth asking.

Perl Mongers Technical Meeting

Some Perl Mongers groups have technical meetings (either instead of or as well as social meetings). In this case, instead of meeting in a pub (or bar or restaurant), they’ll meet in the offices of a friendly local company and some of the members will give presentations to the group. Many groups struggle to find venues for these kinds of meetings. Why not offer your office? And perhaps throw in some pizza and beer.

Perl Workshop

The next step up from technical meetings is Perl workshops. Many Perl Mongers groups organise annual one-day workshops. There can be many talks taking place across a number of tracks over the course of (usually) a day. The organisers often like to make these events free (mainly, it seems, because charging for stuff like this adds a whole new layer of complexity). But it’s not free to put on these events so they rely heavily on sponsors. Can you help pay for the venue? Or the printing? Or the catering? Different events will have different opportunities available. Contact the organisers.

YAPC

Workshops are national and (usually) one-day events. YAPC are international conferences that span many days. They have all the same requirements, but bigger. So they need more money. And, of course, sponsors can be at the conference telling potential employees just how wonderful it is to work for them.

The Perl Foundation

The Perl Foundation are the organisation that promotes Perl, holds various Perl trademarks and hosts many Perl web sites. They issue grants for people to work on various Perl-related projects. They never have enough money. They love companies who donate money to them as thanks for the benefit that Perl brings. How much you donate is up to you, but as a guide, most announcements seem to be in the $10,000 range.

In each of these cases, the idea is really to show the Perl community how much you value Perl by helping various Perl organisations to organise events that raise people’s awareness of Perl. Everyone wins. The sponsors get seen as good people to work for and the events themselves demonstrate that modern Perl is still a great language.

So the next time someone in your company asks how they can find good Perl people, consider a different approach. Can you embed your company in the conciousness of the Perl community and make yourselves look more attractive to some of the best Perl programmers in the world?

London Perl Mongers Meeting

I thought you might be interested in a couple of events that the London Perl Mongers have coming up in the next couple of months.

Technical Meeting

24th July 2014, Conway Hall
Currently, four talks have been announced.

  • Thomas Klausner (domm) from Vienna.pm is going to talk about OX & AngularJS
  •  Alex Balhatchet is going to talk about his rewrite of Ovid’s Test::Kit module
  • Mike Francis will tell us about creating a RESTful database frontend with Web::Simple & Web::Machine and how annoying that was
  • Dave Cross will natter about Github, Travis-CI and Perl

Meetup event / Facebook event / Lanyrd event

Hackday

20th September 2014, London Hackspace
This is a new experiment for us. Do you want to hang out with some Perl Mongers and hack on one of your current projects? Or do you want to find a Perl project to hack on? Then come and join us at the London Hackspace in September.

Meetup event / Facebook event / Lanyrd event

Hope to see you at one or both of these event.

The Return of blogs.perl.org

About an hour ago we turned blogs.perl.org back on. There’s also a blog post where we explain what happened in a lot more detail.

If you have an account on the site then you will have received an email explaining what you need to do now. Basically, we’ve invalidated all of the passwords so you’ll need to ask the system for a new one.

Sorry again for the inconvenience. And huge thanks to the rest of the blogs.perl.org team (particularly Aaron Crane) for fixing this.